Absurd FDR comparisons from DNC of immigration and lack of effective GOP response. INFO to SOLVE

Absurd FDR comparisons from DNC of immigration and lack of effective GOP response. INFO to SOLVE

I have encountered many left wing people mostly dems saying that FDR's social programs like the National Recovery Association, Social security etc.. was the reason America came out of the depression. And even invoked his name in the immigration debate saying Obama's immigration policy was like FDR and will get us out of the depression. First of all the intervention from the government prolonged the depression in my opinion. Second Many of GOP Hoovers policy were beneficial. Both GOP HOOVER & DNC FDR oversaw massive deportations of mexican illegals in the number of millions.

"Immigration dropped sharply during the lean years of the Great Depression. After the stock market crashed in 1929, the U.S. tightened visa rules which markedly reduced Mexican immigration. Local, state and federal government officials debated what to do with those already here. Some Mexicans repatriated themselves either voluntarily or under pressure from local welfare officials. Others were deported. Eventually between about 500,000 to 1,000,000 Mexicans left the United States between 1929 and 1939. This was due to deportation, as well as other factors such as the threat of deportation and acute unemployment."

"This repatriation began during President Herbert Hoover's administration and reached its peak in the early 1930s. It also applied to all alien groups, not just Mexicans. Hoover believed they were taking jobs from Americans, and endorsed a vigorous effort to reduce legal and illegal entries and expel "undesirable aliens." Deportations and repatriations of Mexicans and others decreased (along with legal immigration) during President Franklin Roosevelt's administration, during the Great Depression, but did not end. In July 1935, for example, Roosevelt ordered a large deportation of alien criminals (such as mail robbers), but exempted Mexican and Canadian criminals due to the fear that they would sneak back in."

"The federal government has not apologized for the repatriations. In 2006, representatives Hilda Solis and Luis Gutiérrez introduced a bill calling for a commission to study the issue, and called for an apology.[18]"

(Lucy Gutierrez is a waste of money )

http://www.endillegalimmigration.com/History_of_Illegal_Immigration_in_US/index.shtml


The West is lacking leaders and when misinformed DNC & GOP run around spouting off BS it is problematic and shows there is educational work to be done. And I am still waiting for legislation to allow gringos to flood mexico.

# From 1924 - 1947 the USA was considered a "non immigration country" for the most part.

Barak Hussein Obama Declares War on White America from the Oval Office

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU


Here is the latest Obama Video from his campaign intended to motivate
and recruit African Americans. It may seem friendly and innocent, but he
uses code words such as: Do you you want to see a small but
shrinking group of Americans doing really well, or playing by the same
rules and everyone gets in", Or: "If it was not for certain people struggling
for our people, I would not be here". He also plays
the race and slavery card in the video.


In other words is an explicit attack on Whites advocating affirmative
action and the "small but vanishing group" are whites. And the video shows the
hypocrisy of this PC society in that there would be such outrage if someone
made a video to motivate White American voters, but here we have the
tax payer funded president doing this for Black voters. Even on his
website there is no place for White americans,
only everyone else other races and LGBT..

He the president also blocked all critical comments on his tax payer funded
website. I hope we don't have another
Mugabe style Genocide of Whites on the Horizon.


"Obama campaign about racial terrorism against Whites":
http://www.vdare.com/posts/gop-nomination-time-to-think-about-2013

FOX news publishes False Poll to support Newt Gingrich

The most recent other FOX immigration poll showed oppositon to Newt and Zogby Standard Polls shows NO support for immigrants etc.. :

http://www.zogby.com/news/2010/04/28/zogby-interactive-large-majority-opposes-equal-rights-for-illegal-immigrants-but-support-human-right/

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/52_support_arizona_like_immigration_law_in_their_state

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/new_high_65_oppose_automatic_citizenship_for_children_born_here_to_illegal_immigrants


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/most_voters_oppose_public_schooling_tuition_breaks_driver_s_licenses_for_illegal_immigrants


FOX and Lame Stream news fraudulent and narrow Push Poll shows support contradicted by every other professional poll:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/09/fox-news-poll-voters-back-plan-to-citizenship-for-illegal-immigrants/

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/public-wants-immigrants-to-be-able-to-stay-20111206


Numbers USA asks why these new push polls are emerging, and why they are not mentioning attrition options instead of deportation in these polls ?
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/december-13-2011/our-op-ed-hill-questions-media-blackout-attrition-option.html


See the conspiracy ? FOX and their ilk create a false dilemna in which the only two options are mass deportation and legalization / amnesty, without asking about birth-right citizenship or attrition through enforcement etc... It seems FOX is desperate to support Liberal GOP candidate Newt Gingrich.

UPDATE: Fox has removed the comments section of their latest propaganda piece. I wonder Why ?


It also seems that he is suffering badly in the polls, unlike what FOX says in their fantasy world, and keep in mind even if the dirt does not get out to the primary voters, it will come out in a general election from the DNC:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups

Nixon Peace Activist convo Tapes released. Do you think the GOP will be like Nixon and join OWS for ending the Wars ? Or police state crackdown.

Nixon Peace Activist convo Tapes released. Do you think the GOP will be like Nixon and join OWS for ending the Wars ? Or police state crackdown.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/july-dec11/nixontapes_11-25.html

If you answered police state, crackdown and more wars, you are probably right. The GOP is no Nixon. Nixon knew when to quit. And even back then he was against the Kahmer Rouge and NVA, actual hard core maoist movements killing many, not chasing ghosts and obsessing over tin pot nations in deserts of no consequence to us. More threatening enemies even to just the region they were in the 60's. In the end we definitely survived.

Even in this time the of the cold war, the GOP did not order suspension of Posse Comatatus and the constitution. The neo cons who were then the protestors benefited greatly in their hippie outfits preaching marxists Leninism from that decision. But now the neo cons today, defending the establishment of their making has manipulated good men to wrong. And Newt Gingrich was playing with campus Nudy pictures dodging the draft around this time.

Now i'm sure there will be more bi partisanship and Obama and GOP mysteriously agree to bomb some middle eastern nation after this message. Beeeep............But i have been there and done that yawn.....

Is Newt Gingrich A Genocidal Slave Driver ?

Gingrich has got to go. It's Time. That's it.!

Newt Gingrich immigration program is a disaster. It does nothing to help people but rather creates even more unemployment. It is basically a repeat of the failed 1986 amnesty but no path to citizenship and much worse. You need to do everything in your power to defeat Newt gingrich. He is deceptive and will destroy this country, even more than Obama with his jobs killing and unfair programs. You may even need Radical third party alternatives, but I hope not.

He does not mention once any time of mandatory employer verification system, but merely a guest worker program, so not only can a business hire legal sub standard labor, but also continue to hire illegal labor. He say greater penalty, but it is already illegal to hire an illegal from the '86 law, so what difference would a penalty make, and what would the point be if the employer had no easy verification system, or a mandatory one  ? The businesses would just ignore the guest worker program and continue to hire illegal anyway. Furthermore, why sponsor a guest worker program in the economy anyway ?


I also dont't see great value in English only as an official language proposal coming from Gingrich, most states have a law like that anyway. And with the massive numbers of guest workers and immigrants he wants to bring in, that would be detrimental to have english only, because the workers do speak spanish and will anyway. Newt would also never apply English only where it counts like the voting right act provision for bi lingual ballots etc.. Although English only on the federal level well done by someone like Dr Paul would be beneficial and avoid the snags.


His website calls for teaching immigrants history, but they are already taught "history". This can do nothing. Furthermore, I would imagine the history they are taught is Newt's version of PC non sense. I doubt they would pick up a book and See Eisenhower, FDR, or Huber's immigration policy which is not too "compassionate". Newt Certainly left that out in his falsified version of events. That policy is merely a clever disguise to mask the fact that illegal alien children cost the tax payer billions, and with his guest worker program, the states would be mandated to pick up the tab even more. Furthermore, once again he contradicts himself with such a policy when he says he is against the DOE and any mandate on the states against the 10th Ammendmant.

I also think the idea of allowing young illegals to join the military is absurd. In this economy people with misdemeanors or even a dismissed felony for harassment, ADD, a bad knee or something are being tunred away for service. Why now allow illegal aliens to join the military ? Is this a sign that perpetual warfare is sacrosanct and if you join some REMF unit in the military the illegal is magically equal to people like me and my family who fought in most of these country's majors wars past and present in the military ? I don't think so. Illegal immigrants children also have a higher ASVAB failure rate. Do you want the US military to be the French foreign legion ? Or is illegal aliens in the military some tool to terrorize american citizens so they can be used in the indefinite detention programs and FEMA camps in this country in case a sufficient number of Whites refuse to partake. ? There is also the fact the certain MOS require citizenship anyway,as illegals and non citizens can rarely get a security clearance. not to mention the fact that this idea DOES contradict his other promise not to put illegals at the front of the line for citizenship.


His amnesty program is also absurd. It might not even be legal to create a slave caste with no citizen or welfare rights. he also says that a person who has been in the usa 25 or more years should not be deported or an old lady. But why would an old not want Social security and assistance or prove they are not dependent on welfare, that by default screens out the elderly and sick and leaves the younger "rootless" types with amnesty. And the 24 year rule also means any illegal from 1990 to present gets to stay here. The 11 million prsently here is also a lie, there are far more. There is also the fact that even a small amnesty for some means millions. And an amnesty program would cost billions and anger many communities who are against this causing further division. Allowing a community to decide the law is also basically mob rule. Why not let the community decide what to do with all criminals then ? He also says all illegal aliens get amnesty until congress creates an amnesty program. That invalidates all law enforcement placing people in danger and negates the state anti-immigrant laws he claims to support. And eventually the illegals amnestied wether he likes or not via democrat executive order or the next dem administration as the apparatus is already in place easy.Mexicans can also just leave to their home right next door. What state do we have ?

His humanitarian concerns are bogus. He is basically creating a class of slaves like his southern ancestors probably did. His humanitarian concern is just the desires of the chamber of commerce and nothing more. And to say his party is the party of the family ignores all the suicides, divorces, widows etc.. caused by the wars which he has no problem with and ignore the old GOP policy under eisenhower ( funny he mentions ww2 in his plan) which systematically deported them and kept them at bay until the late 70's. He also didn't object to child labor amongst other things. His references to reagan are also absurd. He admits the 86 amnesty was a failure. There were also fare fewer illegals at the time and Reagan said it was a one time deal. Even the pope says illegals can be deported. Reagan also gave a pro-waffen SS speech with US ww2 vets at Bitburg Airbase in Germany in the 80's and went to Alabam and talked about states rights at a famous civil rights landmark. He also almost refues to honor MLK and continued funding to apartheid south Africa. Reagan also dealt with a democratic controlled congress in 86. What about that Reagan ? And if you want to talk American historical figures why not Go back To Jefferson or don't go there at all ? Furthermore, Humanitarian Aid with repatriation can be considered as a cheaper alternative to amnesty.

I am also disgusted that he presents a false dilemma by saying they all need to be deported or amnestied. One must do neither, but rather attrition through enforcement. Employer sanctions and E-verify, empower the states, cut funding for sanctuary cities, end birth right citizenship,  etc..They will leave automatically. Not to mention the fact that he is saying :we have to deport" as if anyone was trying, in light of his plan would it not be better to even do nothing than pay so much to set up deportation systems for a limited number of people, then have to supposedly deport the rest afterwards anyway ?

His legal immigration programs are also horrible. Not only did the bipartisan Jordan comission reccomend drastic cuts in the 90's under his watch, but that was in a GOOD economy. There is no shortage of engineers in this country, but beyond that he wants to give foreign grads green cards for the popular majors lie business which is an attack on my family and friends at an at an individual level. And while giving so many foreigners green cards after college, he does nothing about if not promote affirmative action, which burdens and undermines excllence in many top schools thus helping to create any "brain shortage". White students will be locked out of most higher ed and all americans will face a flooded job market after graduation. There is also no shortage of computer programmers or many of those industries he mentions. H1B is also a fraud and a source of illegal immigration. He also says nothing about the 1.5 million legal immigrants who come every year and often go on welfare. That was recommended to be reduced by the Jordan commision. And even John Mccain was talking substantial legal immigration cuts when he was promoting amnesty. Temporary legal status for illegal kids also means possible college enrollment which is the same as the dream act.

The border emphasis is also absurd. Fences are ineffective. The mains source of illegals are visa overstays, something he wants more of and wants to do nothing about. A secure border will do nothing as long as there is an employment and welfare magnet which he wants to leave in place. He also shiftes the guest worker burden on to the tax payer and expands government with these programs.The guest workers will have anchor babies here, their kkids must also be subsidizes in public schools by local communities according to federal law. That contradicts his balanced budget ammendmant and pledge for low taxes and even contradicts the Krebbs card plan he likes.

I also think he is a total hypocrite of poor personal qualities. He lives in a very wealthy predominantly White area of GA, but does not believe anyone else should obviously. He talks down on the confederates for slavery, but promotes it himself both in China and here with illegal labor. His knowledge of history obviously stinks. He says he is pro-family but had countless extramartial affairs. He changed his positon more times than Romney or anyone. He promotes affirmative action, but won't step down from his professor job as an older white male and allow a Black or latino preferential treatment to get that position. He sounds more like Ted Kennedy than anyone. He is probably be extorted right now with all the baggage he has. He also is a obese. Worst of all he uses guilt trips to coerce people into supporting his policies while lying about his true intentions.

He also supported Kosovo independence and even advocates NATO supression and bombing of Serbia, even keeping out Serbs from their traditional lands with border guards and barbed wire. However what about the right-wing groups that may wish to have a separate homeland in north America to escape actual real genocidal policies he imposes ? Zogby was reporting 23% want secession in north America peacefully. How does he feel about them ? He also wrote a book promoting the concept of corporate globalism in which nations don't exist but only business zones in addition to the horrible immigration policies.But supports israel with 8 million. If someone can get together enough people who want a peacful homeland in north America would could they be granted such ? Why it be wrong or not preferable ?

I also think the idea of a "Latino vote" is absurd. They are a very small part of the electorate. Many hispanics are very proud of their country of origin while living in America. There are also stark differences between Latin ethnic groups like Cubans and Argentinians who are mostly White Mexicans and El Salvadorians etc.. I know from personal experience with my Argentinian and Cuban friends and Mexicans and Salvadorians I know not to get them confused. And many states have voter ID now.And if they so important, why not just enforce the damn immigration laws instead of amnesty and pass ore voter id laws. etc.. It is also counter productive to pander to them and promote their ethnic identities. It only forces them to be more anti-america. I also think democracy is failing as most polls show the public against immigration, but nothing is done but betrayal and inaction. There seems to be no difference between the two parties. It has a elitist polyarchy at best, and dictatorship at worst sadly.Furthermore, how would a pro-immigration president carry Ohio, PA, or AZ which are Reagan dem country ?

Even the democrats are praising Gingrich and they will praise him even more with Ads in key states in 2012. I sure as hell won't vote for him and many others won't while he advocates genocide. He is far behind Obama in polls. He has immigration endorsements from Gutierrez D-il La Raza, DNC, and even copies Obama administrative amnesty policies. etc.. I think it would even be better for Newt not do anything about immigration besides let the states do their job, if God Forbid he gets to office. That would be the End of this nation. I wonder how those chamber of commerce types that think it is ok to go against the majority and actually write America's immigration laws would feel if their voting cattle walked away and actually had a credible third party or seceeded ?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/29/9099594-house-democrat-calls-gingrichs-immigration-remarks-step-in-right-direction


A terrorist law from newt because that is what he is:
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration


PS. if you think their is a labor shortage ?What happened to chain gangs picking fruits and convict labor ? Or even meanignful welfare reform that forces people to do any job ?

The US Citizens he does not care about:

Why are Republicans scared of Occupy Wall Street ? Most could be sex partners.

Michele Bachmann And Glenn Beck were on the radio talking about "big bad occupy wall street" and how we need to nuke iran, and self identified as a zionist literally and calling herself a "christian". I wonder if they are deliberately deceptive or grossly misinformed especially on their bizzare fear of occupy wall street.

Are you anti-OWS types afraid that they may take over and institute a racist anti white government with discriminatory hiring and aid practices ? That sounds alot like the current government which many of you seem to approve of due to the fact that you have ignored the issue, even when it is more unpopular than anytime in history. No ?

Are you afraid that Occupy wall street might take over the government and create an extraordinary liberal one with tons of social programs and keep taxes high, still running a trillion and trillions dollar deficit ? No, we already have that and the GOP approves. 

Are you afraid they might put the currency in the hands of a private central bank that just sh*ts money that is basically worthless ? We already have the FED bank. You guys already have that. And Bachmann is cute saying we need a gold standard, but didn't mention the FED. :-)

Are you afraid that OWS will bring 1.5 million foreigners legally every year that live in ghettos and displace the traditional population mostly all voting for socialism adding to the OWS ranks ? Open the nation up to invasion and give them birth right citizenship ? We already have that silly. Who cares about 70% or "99%" against that ? Right comrades ? Maybe even bring 1 billion people here destroying the environment ? 

Are you afraid that they will regulate the free market and destroy capitalism ? Hey Hey, we got plenty of that. We have crony capitalism too. 


Are you afraid they will set up a police state with surveillance and internet regulation, violation of the constitution ? We have already have that including the patriot act and such. Thank you W. 

So What the Hell are you afraid of GOP ??? 

oh, could it be that they are not blood thirsty and are opposed to war. ? That is very very very bad. 2 million dead is not enough. I guess. 

So, GOP tell me why you are scared of occupy wall street. You should arrange a 60's style hippie style LGBT, feminist and sexual liberation advocacy orgy. Some swinging etc.. You guys are close and the morals of Cain and Newt are right up there I guess. And you don't need to bring your own tents, you can just...invite them to the white house. I am sure as you are the "men/ women with power" for all those with that fetish. ;-)

Here are some real non hypocritical Jews doing the right thing at Occupy Wall Street:

Why I now support Legalized Marijuana in the USA like Dr. Ron Paul

Why I changed my mind and support Marijuana Legalization like Ron Paul 

Marijuana or "Ganja" as they call it. is a hot topic, often discussed, but unfortunately not discussed enough or in the right context. Marijuana is a drug that is consumed. It produces effects similar to intoxication. I personally have not used like many advocates for decriminalization and i'm "straight edge". Although I am very right-wing, I support the legalization after the study Ron Paul ideology. Some support legalization, while others do not and although a ban presently exists, there are strong reasons for dismantling these laws rather than allow this prohibition to continue. I support the decriminalization for practical, ethical and scientific reasons etc..

First of all the argument that marijuana is inherently and purely unhealthy is false. Marijuana is actually is just like cigarettes, inhaled from smoke. But without the nicotine and added ingredients and addiction. It is also completely organic and natural. It has proven medical benefits for patients. It is even rated less harmful than alcohol or tobacco by many world renowned researchers. The effects are also temporary like intoxication. And studies about addiction or long term damage are inconclusive at worst. The gateway drug idea is also redciulous, which is like saying alcohol is a gateway drug. I know a girl from school that smokes it and she WOULD NEVER stick a heroine need into her body or snort coke. Marijuana can also be eaten in brownies as a snack with less effect or harm than tobacco or alcohol.

And when we consider the topic of cigarettes, why do we not consider the special interest groups that suppress the legalization of the drug ? The tobacco companies spend millions supporting candidates who support them and not legalization. John Behoner in particular, a tough opponent of legalization was passing out tobacco checks on the house floor. The DARE campaign as you may know is against "drugs", including marijuana, but they refuse to point to the dangers of tobacco as it is funded by big tobacco. The Tobacco and other corporate collusion against Marijuana is one of the sadest examples of crony capitalism on earth.

In addition the the Big Tobacco imposed restrictions of no value, the "moral" arguments do not hold weight. In christianity there are numerous examples of ancient Jews and christians using the drug. I also question the christian idea that marijuana is bad, while alcohol is ok. Some muslims also interpret the Koran to allow Hashish and not Alcohol. Many Ancient people's of the biblical and ancient era also used such as the indo-europeans scythians. cannabis plants have been found in Egypt with mummies etc.. Shakespere and many Western figures have also used Cannabis. In the USA and West Cannabis only became illegal in the 1900's when the Temprance movement emerged and Big Tobacco was growing much bigger.


The federal Ban on marijuana is something small government conservatives need to oppose, especially the Tea Party. The "war on drugs" has cost the government millions and contributed the deficit tremendously. It has violated constitutional rights. The beauracracy to fight the drug has expanded the federal government and created agencies such as the DEA. The goals and purpose of the war on drugs are questionable. Why would it be necessary to exterminate an entire species of plant or raid the home of someone with a single plant of pot in their home ? And even if one supports big government is a pot plant our priority over fighting the Al Quaida you claim to be so concerned about ? Mant Law enforcement personnel also want to see the drug legalized. Lives are also destroyed everyday and our prisons overflow because people use it.

The anti-matijuana laws have also had no effect and even negative effects. Growing up and in college marijuana was just as common as cigarettes if not more. It is also not impossible if not terribly easy to get marijuana. All one needs to do is get seeds and some dirt and water, wallah. Drug cartels and the underground economy has also emerged from the strict marijuana laws, which threatens many people. Many marxist paramilitary governments and armies like FARC and the FNC are funded by drug sales to the USA. The Taliban was also getting rich selling it to us etc..Prohibition was a disaster and so is criminalization of marijuana. Once the underground economy dissapears, the drug money would not flow to mexico and cartels but stay in our economy. Making marijuana illegal also means that the law cannot focus on severely harmful drugs like Heroine.

The effects and benefits of legalization would be enormous. Besides increasing freedom, ending drug crimes etc.. it would help people medically, economically, socially. People can solve their medical and social problems with it. It would also aid in job creation. Many people can become entrepreneurs, grow small businesses and be employed in related industries like hemp factories and farms. Garden shops and potteries would also flourish. Doctors could give low income people needing care marijuana instead of anti-depressants and tranquilizers. It would also increase tourism tremendously. The US also needs to compete with countries that have already started legalization like the Netherlands, Canada, etc.. The GOP could also have a social just / diversity / LGBT positive issue in supporting legalization, something they seem to want to be these days. OWS also supports legalization.

The legalization process can be done in a slow and good way. The anti-marijuana laws on the FEDERAL level need to get tossed. The states that want to get regulate can either by banning, or state licensing, which ensures people can get legal drugs and safe drugs. Communities that wish to ban would have more authority to do so, while those favoring less restriction can have none. There is also the hypocrisy of the fact that a state MUST enforce FEDERAL drug laws, but a state like AZ or AL can't even enforce the federal immigration law. And even Lincoln Chaffee types would jump in against AZ and AL. etc..We should wonder why if Sodomy is a constitutional right to privacy , why not a puff which does NOT give you AIDs HIV chances and such ?? LOGIC ??

The process of legalization has already begun. Many states have ballot initiatives to allow the citizens to decide their own drug laws that pass. Medical Marijuana is now becoming more popular. Obama has even flirted with the idea of legalization. Ron PAul has also brought in legislation with congressman barney Frank which shows repeal of the anti-marijuana laws would be both bi-partisan and diverse. Polls also show widespread support for legalization, even in nations such as Canada. It is a winning issue for all. You also need to overcome the idea that marijuana is "taboo" from years of indoctrination by Big Tobacco, media And party orthodoxy.

In conclusion, hemp is not so bad. I don't use it but believe it should be legalized. It is for our constitutional rights. It is for limited government. It is for less crime. Decriminalization is politically advantageous and popular. The decriminalization is bi-partisan. It would also create jobs and help everyone.


How it works in smoke form from NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg8wrzmIdyI

Congressman Paul (R-TX) and Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA)  support legalization:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHBCsPYuKIs

Economist and world famous Investor Peter Schiff wants legalization:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hfDyEJsxA

Most People Support Legalization in polls:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150149/Record-High-Americans-Favor-Legalizing-Marijuana.aspx

Other sponsors of Marijuana freedom: Governor and GOP presidential candidate Gary Johnson of New Mexico, Navy Seal, celebrity and Governor Jesse Ventura of Minesotta, Dr and Senator Rand Paul, DR Ron Paul, congressman Frank of MA and DNC, California doctors association, US. Surgeon General Elders,